Comments on: What is the Self? http://www.mindstructures.com/2010/07/what-is-the-self/ about mind versus matter and collective versus personal development Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:21:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Annemieke http://www.mindstructures.com/2010/07/what-is-the-self/comment-page-1/#comment-1064 Annemieke Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:05:37 +0000 http://www.mindstructures.com/?p=8567#comment-1064 Great to see someone who is also interested in the ideas of David Bohm. Yes ‘Science, Order and Creativity’ is indeed a tough read. Although I found the chapter about creativity (I think it is called ‘Creativity in the whole of life’) not that difficult. Somehow it made so much sense to me that I had the feeling I could understand it rather well. But the rest of the book was at times way over my head indeed. So I will certainly go search for ‘On Creativity’. Seems very interesting! I also don’t know if the quadrant model is appropriate for the understanding of creativity. It is just something I am working with a lot lately (together with the model of the zodiac) and what I use to visualise concepts like creativity, individuality and development. I absolutely agree that it is about getting the whole of it. But to be able to communicate that whole, I feel I have to search for already existing concepts that reflect my understanding, in order to make myself clear. Hope that sentence was clear :-) Great to see someone who is also interested in the ideas of David Bohm. Yes ‘Science, Order and Creativity’ is indeed a tough read. Although I found the chapter about creativity (I think it is called ‘Creativity in the whole of life’) not that difficult. Somehow it made so much sense to me that I had the feeling I could understand it rather well.

But the rest of the book was at times way over my head indeed. So I will certainly go search for ‘On Creativity’. Seems very interesting!

I also don’t know if the quadrant model is appropriate for the understanding of creativity. It is just something I am working with a lot lately (together with the model of the zodiac) and what I use to visualise concepts like creativity, individuality and development.

I absolutely agree that it is about getting the whole of it. But to be able to communicate that whole, I feel I have to search for already existing concepts that reflect my understanding, in order to make myself clear. Hope that sentence was clear :-)

]]> By: kuroh tzu http://www.mindstructures.com/2010/07/what-is-the-self/comment-page-1/#comment-1061 kuroh tzu Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:23:01 +0000 http://www.mindstructures.com/?p=8567#comment-1061 Hi, lately i have been re-exploring the ideas of David Bohm as well (as can be seen in my web activity:)-). "Science, Order & Creativity" is quite a tough read, while "On Creativity", which contains a number of essays on the subject, points out more clearly what he was aiming at. A deeply creative mind is indeed psychologically independent and authentic, and is able to break free from the mechanisms of thought (it was his scientific approach to the discourses of Krishnamurti, buddhists, etc). I don't know if the quadrant model is appropriate in this context, it is bound to introduce complexity and confusion, at least from my point of view. The point is to "get" the whole of it. Whether you use a lot of concepts or not does not matter that much, but in the end, they have to go, so to speak, to come to a full understanding. -- Interessante blog heb je hier, net ontdekt Cheerios! Hi,
lately i have been re-exploring the ideas of David Bohm as well (as can be seen in my web activity:)-).

“Science, Order & Creativity” is quite a tough read, while “On Creativity”, which contains a number of essays on the subject, points out more clearly what he was aiming at.

A deeply creative mind is indeed psychologically independent and authentic, and is able to break free from the mechanisms of thought (it was his scientific approach to the discourses of Krishnamurti, buddhists, etc).
I don’t know if the quadrant model is appropriate in this context, it is bound to introduce complexity and confusion, at least from my point of view.

The point is to “get” the whole of it. Whether you use a lot of concepts or not does not matter that much, but in the end, they have to go, so to speak, to come to a full understanding.

– Interessante blog heb je hier, net ontdekt

Cheerios!

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